Hell Yes / Hell No edition by John Reid Noe Religion Spirituality eBooks
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This compelling and controversial book strikes at the heart of Christian theology and Christianity itself. It presents a balanced and scholarly re-exploration of "one of Christianity's most offensive doctrines"-Hell and the greater issue of the extent of God's grace (mercy, love, compassion, justice) and wrath in the eternal, afterlife destiny for all people. Inside, conflicting views are re-evaluated, their strengths and weaknesses re-assessed, and all the demands of Scripture are reconciled into one coherent and consistent synthesized view. The author further suggests that our limited earthly view has been the problem, re-discovers the ultimate mystery of God's expressed desire, will, and purpose, and transcends troubling traditions as never before. Bottom line is, God's plan of salvation and condemnation may be far different and greater than we've been led to believe. In a clear and straightforward manner, this book lays out the historical and scriptural evidence as never before.
Hell Yes / Hell No edition by John Reid Noe Religion Spirituality eBooks
There are a lot of good books out there discussing this "hot topic." However, I chose this book for it's promised dialectical nature and it did not disappoint. Noe states it several times in the book and I think is correct when he says there hasn't been any other attempt similar to the one he makes in this book to engage in a comprehensive, though not exhaustive (but nearly), study of the doctrine of hell.What I really appreciate about Noe, at the very least, is his attitude of humility as he approaches the topic. He recognizes how emotional arguments on hell and the afterlife tend to get and simply seeks to lay out the best of the traditional view's arguments and the best of the alternative view's arguments and invites you to decide who's arguments seem stronger. In the latter end of the book he also offers his own synthesizing work, though he refreshingly admits that just because he can synthesize the various scriptural demands into a coherent view, doesn't necessarily make it correct. And again, he invites you to decide for yourself. At the very least, this is a very refreshing attitude to witness and one which more believers could benefit from rather than the fears and uninformed assumptions that often come whenever anyone begins to reexamine the traditional view of hell.
In particular, I enjoyed the historical overview of how our "traditional" view of hell came about regarding Augustine and how he contrasted with the Greek fathers.
And don't get me wrong, this book is very exegetical. However, I did feel a little underwhelmed at certain points on the exegesis in it.
Another thing to Noe's credit is the breadth of sources he uses and draws from. It's quite impressive and makes for the dialectical nature of the book. He draws from and introduces you to all different kinds of authors with their opposing views and nuances within those.
The strength of the book is Noe's humility in approaching the topic combined with the vast range of references and voices he brings into the conversation.
I do kind of doubt that the type of person who this book would appeal to would probably agree completely with his synthesis at the end of the book. For instance, personally, I'm not totally sure about rewards theology and perceived that because of his particular synthesis he was somewhat forced into it in order to bolster his proposed view. And I did feel like the level of exegesis drops off a little, more to the proof-texting side, when he finally comes around to making a stab at a synthesis. For instance, I would feel better about rewards theology if he did a similar point and counterpoint exploration style with it like he does with the main topics in the book. Again, the strength of the book is Noe's humility and how he is able to introduce you to the strongest arguments and thoughts of opposing viewpoints. To Noe's credit, he does warn the reader that the exegesis in certain sections of the book will seem too rigorous to some readers and too cursory to others.
Most who will read this book will be surprised to recognize the strengths of alternative views to the traditional view of hell. This kind of education is really healthy I think. And at the end of the book, it is hard not to adopt a similar attitude of humility regarding the topic of hell when you've been exposed to the range of viewpoints and arguments for and against them. That is probably the best outcome as Christians tend to be too jumpy regarding the particular topic of hell - thinking that if you start studying it or asking questions about it, you're basically toying with atheism. At the end, you realize that it is a complex topic and there are legitimate strengths and weaknesses of all the views - especially because we're trying to look into a mystery as Paul says at the end of Romans 11 and Noe often reminds. Noe does provide a synthesis of the views though and explains how he tends to lean. However, he is also clear in communicating that there is a mystery about it all and scripture only gives us so much insight to the counsel of God regarding the afterlife and what will happen to the wicked. But many great questions are raised in the complexity of the dialog that will make you think.
The major take away from the book is the humility that rightfully follows an exposure to the complexity of a topic. When a person does not understand the complexity and various views on any one topic, it is easy for them to dogmatize on it and hatefully dismiss those who disagree with them. But if you do understand the legitimate complexities of the topic, you can more easily come along side people in mutual wonder, curiosity and conversation and ask, like Noe frequently does, what do you think? Hell yes? Or hell no?
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Hell Yes / Hell No edition by John Reid Noe Religion Spirituality eBooks Reviews
If you are willing to set aside all your long held beliefs concerning eternal punishment and can give yourself permission to really hear anew what the scriptures say, this book is for you! Dr. Noe walks the reader through a thorough, methodical, and biblical approach that will literally shatter many paradigms held dear by much of Christendom. Having struggled over the years about the various beliefs various denominations hold regarding salvation, eternal security, everlasting torment, judgment, and justice, I found clarity and comfort from the insights provided in this book. The gospel REALLY is good news! Whether you are a professing Christian or not, Noe's book will challenge your thinking and provide considerable food for thought. Just what if...?
Having read at least fifteen books on this subject along with much Bible study, I've got to say this is the most thorough. The author presents both sides along with critical historical perspectives and word study. Every pastor and Bible student should not only read this book, but study it slowly - then share it with many others! (PS - My traditionalist pastor and I are going through the book slowly and carefully one chapter at a time in weekly meetings. I'd recommend the same if you're having a hard time with a church leader in your community.)
I concur with the six previous, positive reviews. John Noe's approach to this topic is even-handed and gives the reader a chance to use his or her own mind and spirit to reach an informed conclusion. The 374 pages are a good read for anyone that is interested in the Christian church's teachings about "hell" (a mistranslation, used for three different Greek words in the NT, as Noe points out) and God's judgments. You will find his research to be thorough, and the historical information which he presents on the early Christian beliefs about these things may surprise you.
I have read quite a few books about hell and judgment over the past 50 years, and John Noe's presentation is among the best. For a solution to the debate he presents a 7-point Synthesis, which you will find interesting. I have already recommended this book to my friends and to my readers. For serious Bible students, this book is a must.
Jonathan Mitchell, MA
Just finished "Hell Yes - Hell No." Thank you Dr. John Noe for writing a marvelous, helpful, "reachable," even-handed, gentle-spirited treatment of this subject. I enjoyed it immensely. For some time I have personally not held to traditionalist views on this subject, but as he points out, the vitriol that comes one's way when one departs from traditionalist views, can be pretty intense . . . and at times lonely. But the way Noe so evenly handled the various views is marvelous. I would heartily recommend this book as a potential "classic" on the subject to any open and inquiring mind. I do not understand the comments about this book not being scholarly enough or written in a hurry. As an author myself, I can guarantee, books like this are not written in a hurry! Taking dense, scholarly, and historical material and making it reachable to non-academics requires significant writing skill, and Dr. Noe has done very well indeed, and admits in the opening sections, this is not written for the strictly academic community. P.S. - I also have enjoyed his other eschatological books. Thanks again, Dr. Noe, for all your fine work.
There are a lot of good books out there discussing this "hot topic." However, I chose this book for it's promised dialectical nature and it did not disappoint. Noe states it several times in the book and I think is correct when he says there hasn't been any other attempt similar to the one he makes in this book to engage in a comprehensive, though not exhaustive (but nearly), study of the doctrine of hell.
What I really appreciate about Noe, at the very least, is his attitude of humility as he approaches the topic. He recognizes how emotional arguments on hell and the afterlife tend to get and simply seeks to lay out the best of the traditional view's arguments and the best of the alternative view's arguments and invites you to decide who's arguments seem stronger. In the latter end of the book he also offers his own synthesizing work, though he refreshingly admits that just because he can synthesize the various scriptural demands into a coherent view, doesn't necessarily make it correct. And again, he invites you to decide for yourself. At the very least, this is a very refreshing attitude to witness and one which more believers could benefit from rather than the fears and uninformed assumptions that often come whenever anyone begins to reexamine the traditional view of hell.
In particular, I enjoyed the historical overview of how our "traditional" view of hell came about regarding Augustine and how he contrasted with the Greek fathers.
And don't get me wrong, this book is very exegetical. However, I did feel a little underwhelmed at certain points on the exegesis in it.
Another thing to Noe's credit is the breadth of sources he uses and draws from. It's quite impressive and makes for the dialectical nature of the book. He draws from and introduces you to all different kinds of authors with their opposing views and nuances within those.
The strength of the book is Noe's humility in approaching the topic combined with the vast range of references and voices he brings into the conversation.
I do kind of doubt that the type of person who this book would appeal to would probably agree completely with his synthesis at the end of the book. For instance, personally, I'm not totally sure about rewards theology and perceived that because of his particular synthesis he was somewhat forced into it in order to bolster his proposed view. And I did feel like the level of exegesis drops off a little, more to the proof-texting side, when he finally comes around to making a stab at a synthesis. For instance, I would feel better about rewards theology if he did a similar point and counterpoint exploration style with it like he does with the main topics in the book. Again, the strength of the book is Noe's humility and how he is able to introduce you to the strongest arguments and thoughts of opposing viewpoints. To Noe's credit, he does warn the reader that the exegesis in certain sections of the book will seem too rigorous to some readers and too cursory to others.
Most who will read this book will be surprised to recognize the strengths of alternative views to the traditional view of hell. This kind of education is really healthy I think. And at the end of the book, it is hard not to adopt a similar attitude of humility regarding the topic of hell when you've been exposed to the range of viewpoints and arguments for and against them. That is probably the best outcome as Christians tend to be too jumpy regarding the particular topic of hell - thinking that if you start studying it or asking questions about it, you're basically toying with atheism. At the end, you realize that it is a complex topic and there are legitimate strengths and weaknesses of all the views - especially because we're trying to look into a mystery as Paul says at the end of Romans 11 and Noe often reminds. Noe does provide a synthesis of the views though and explains how he tends to lean. However, he is also clear in communicating that there is a mystery about it all and scripture only gives us so much insight to the counsel of God regarding the afterlife and what will happen to the wicked. But many great questions are raised in the complexity of the dialog that will make you think.
The major take away from the book is the humility that rightfully follows an exposure to the complexity of a topic. When a person does not understand the complexity and various views on any one topic, it is easy for them to dogmatize on it and hatefully dismiss those who disagree with them. But if you do understand the legitimate complexities of the topic, you can more easily come along side people in mutual wonder, curiosity and conversation and ask, like Noe frequently does, what do you think? Hell yes? Or hell no?
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